waking jonas is dealing with that outfit.

night activity

we caught the last half of the lunar eclipse as we exited the kindergarten of burlesque show at the rendezvous, hosted by miss (auntie) trixie lane.

i’m determined to sign up for the next class that i can. after i buy new tires. and wipers. and pay for all the initial dog needs…and fit it into the mortgage budget. the next class that i can, i am there.

jared likes my necklace.

burlesque is the objectification of women in it’s most disgusting form.

Sexy women are

A. NOT FAT

B. not taking money for taking their clothes off

C. just no…

nonononononononononNONONONONONONONONONONONONONNONONONONO!!!!

christ.

NO!

Burlesque… taking the most disempowering aspects of womens existence and throwing at the feet of men to beg for their approval.

sick, wrong, and you are above that.

AARRGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!

sorry to rant… but to me women expressing the empowerment off burlesque it is like african americans talking about the good ol days on the plantation. I would be interested in what Andrea Dworkin would have said about the burlesque trend.

all that aside.

the eclipse was good… the beginnings of a concoction for next month were begun.

triathletes.

Female triathletes are sexy.

as are female aerialists, martial arts practitioners… gymnasts… track stars, cyclists…

and especially….

above all…

female pentathletes!

anything that does not involve totally wrapping yourself in every single possible helpless female stereotype and slopping yourself down for the approval of the dominant male chauvinist pig audience hooting and hollering…

I’m still ticked that you think that kind of behavior is acceptable and not denigrating to the entire female gender.

crap..if ever it needed to be said…

reconsider!

just think about what the message is to the female sub-conscious and the effect it has to the global id of the feminine aspect of our society.

if we were talking about strippers or pole dancers i would whole heartedly agree. but we aren’t. and since i don’t really know where to start i’m just going to make a list.

- burlesque isn’t stripping, it’s a form of theater. some of the more entertaining acts i’ve seen have more clothes on than your average triathlete
- they don’t take money for it in the sense of a stripper, they are paid(or not) like any other theater act
- not all burlesque performers are fat; that’s a rather poor generalization to make.
- people don’t objectify themselves, people objectify other people. burlesque itself isn’t inherently inviting people to make that call any more than a gymnast or triathlete putting on a tiny little spandex suit is; or any girl that goes to the beach in a bikini for that matter.

hell, the girls in the audience make more noise than the guys do. and as for what Dworkin would have said, why didn’t she say anything? she had plenty of time and it’s not like this burlesque thing is new. i can’t say i’m incredibly familiar but it seems like her main focus was on pornography, and if you’re lumping burlesque in the same category, why didn’t a champion of women’s rights?

either way women empowerment isn’t about what men think of it. we’re hardwired a certain way and while modern man seems to be making an effort all you have to do is turn on the tv to see things take two steps back.

and i’m going to have to disagree with tri/pentathletes being attractive, at least at fighting weight. to be competitive a multisport athlete needs to be at an unhealthy body fat percentage, and i’m sorry, muscles clinging to a skeleton just doesn’t do it for me. but hey, whatever fills your sail.

First of all, it is what you feel on the inside that makes you sexy. Not your bra size. This douche bag is the reason why women feel insecure about thier bodies. We should have the freedom to do what we please with our bodies. I think this guy is just jealous that he can’t even buy a hooker to suck his dick. What a sad little man you are. How dare you say that we are disempowering ourselves by performing an art. That’s right. It is an art form that you will never understand. Go back to your fucking church, hide in your little hole and just fucking shoot yourself in the face.

what the hell is going on here. did the levees break and unleash a wave of crazy?

i just wanna know.. if female pentathletes are hotter than triathletes, doesn’t it stand to reason that decathletes are even hotter?

sorry to upset people, that’s my opinion.
Worked in theatre all my life.
I get strong opinions sometimes.
Sorry to get everyone worked up.
I concur I was a tad verbose and crude.

IMHO burlesque is the purifying of every cheap trick a choreographer can make a submissive/disempowered character do, into one 5 minute vamp. It kinda reminds me of WWE in inverse.

It’s my opinion and it is horrifying to me anytime a friend thinks about doing it.

I just shoulda kept my mouth shut. Eloquence in argument is never my forte’.

(as to the pentathalons… it is the mix of skill sports with endurance sports that makes the competitors so appealing. Women who can shoot and use a sword while still having olympic running and swimming ability is… quite appealing. It is traditionally a mens sport designed by Napoleon to test his couriers… so having women break into that field is exciting. Further, pentatheletes tend to have a rounded out BMI. You are right about top competitors… I was just focusing on a bumper sticker I saw from the Danskin triathalon that siad “a fit woman is a sexy woman”. I’ve just always been attracted to women who can be my equal in any activity that I do… )

Sorry all.

personally, i love a good shitstorm on the internet. people should be allowed to debate opinions and offend each other equally from all sides of an argument.

i understand where you’re coming from !!???!!! (though i’m punching you for making me type all that punctuation) and honestly, before i had any experience with burlesque i harbored a similar opinion.

sexism, like most abstraction concepts, has a slippery slope when it comes to how each individual defines the idea to themselves and for other people. in generalization, things seems a bit more black and white then when it comes to individual circumstance.

some people might argue that the idea of a muscular women standard is, like any standard, an expectation of women that is unachievable to some and therefore makes them feel as though they are inferior women. whereas the full figured standard makes many of the itty bitty titty committee (ie ME) feel similar inferiority.

what i saw last night was a group of women of varying shapes and sizes, some baring a lot of skin, some baring hardly anything at all.

they weren’t being paid for this, in fact they had paid good money for the class and the thrill of the experience of having all eyes on them.

i spent a good deal of my life in theater as well. i’m only 26 but i grew up in theater classes. the entertainment industry makes a whore of all performers in the technical sense that they are selling themselves for entertainment and pleasure.

one of the girls last night was from iran. trixie told me that when they came to decide on their stage names, the girls thought of their hobbies and adventures for idea. the girl who would eventually be named “enigma” told trixie that she had no hobbies, had experienced very little in her homeland society and was looking for a way to break out of the fear that she held inside after years of oppression.

the enigma performed a belly dance for the crowd, removing only her skirt attachment to the clapping of her mother, (i’m assuming) brother and his wife. she never took her top off, and she was stunning.

i believe that if a woman feels forced to succumb to behavior or have to meet an expectation that is someone else’s ideal for her in order to be loved, that is where the real danger to her lies.

naked bitches rule!

i want to burlesque too

Wait, women breaking into a sport designed by Napoleon to test his couriers is exciting? Sexy? That has got to be the most absurd thing Ive ever heard. I find athletic/toned/fit women sexy and all, but it has absolutely nothing to do with Napoleon or couriers. Insane.

i want to stacey. i want to stacey all night long.

Points taken Tess…

And I do appreciate the Iranian example. However that is a typical example of the pathology of burlesque… women being told they are not sexy turning around and objectifying themselves so they will be considered sexy. It’s the sexy thing. Sexy should not be objectified… Sexy should come from equality.

body image has nothing to do with it, it’s not the look, to me… to me it is a constant presence of knowledge in the interaction that the woman has the capacity to move beyond barriers and archtypes society has… engendered .

A woman on a stage because she is a woman is no different than a man on stage because he is a man… burlesque… WWE… it’s objectification and the manifestation of a surreal imposition of reality that caters to the need for making a zygote.

It is depressing and glandular.

there is a male/female specification.

In the Belly dance community you at least have guys like Wes Gomez and Alfredo who practice male dance. In stripping there is a preponderance of strippers, with drag queens you have the inverse with Diva’s.

Burlesque is pretty focussed on the girl aspect.

I’ve heard some rumblings that Ben and a few others have done some stuff at the CanCan… I will admit I have been out of the loop for awhile. I just got sickend by it and have to avoid burlesque at any cost. Ben and Co are pretty cool and I appreciate the pushing of boundaries but boylesque is not a common facet as such are the other counter manifestations in gender performances. Less so than WWE type female wresting even. Which takes it down a notch to WWE style wrestling.

so again… it seems like it is girls only…

It’s the over-arching axiom of the performer and audience that is what is important. Sure… someone might say “what about the homicidal antics of the gun street girls”… but that faux homicidal antic is still an abstractive objectification. That’s like saying the “burning bed” or “Bobbitting” was empowering. Satisfying maybe… but empowering not so.

I have turned my dance company away from thousands… nay… tens of thousands of dollars in shows because I do not and will not do the “take it off” or the “show a little”. If they can not provide the narrative completely free of sexual innuendo, I am not interested. Even said that once to a microsoft gig.

(As to the Pentathalon… it is women competing is a male dominated sport that I find sexy… the fact that the sport is skill and power mixed is just what impresses me with the sport. So take the olympic event I find most impressive and the aspect of women charging in against the paradigm… that is hyper sexy. Women in roles that go against gender stereotypes… that is the sexy aspect of it. I used to have a motto that I would only date a girl that could back me up in a knife fight… which actually happened in Chimayo… so the philosophy paid off… ;- )

I digress….

For all the shitstorm here.. the males still eventually respond with:

“naked bitches rule”

inevitable… it is that aspect of psyche that burlesque caters to.

it is… to me… still.. depressing.

gotta run.

sorry for any typos or errant digressions. I hope there is some clarification on philosophy versus the immediate gutteral reaction first emitted.

btw:

sexy women…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Pentathlon#Individual_women

or… better yet… Claudia Corsini!

http://www.giustizia.it/newsonline/data/mediateca/491.JPG

this comment string brings back warm and fuzzy memories of family arguments…everyone yells for a while, then we all get tired/tipsy and end up waxing philosophical in an air of mutual respect and appreciation until someone gets bored and makes the next belligerent remark. jacoby?

no offense, but it just sounds like the interrobang poster has swallowed a liberal arts treatise on feminism and is barfing it up here.

there’s no “male” burlesque because there’s no market for it. if women wanted to watch men do that stuff there’d be someone there to do it. there’s no male cabal orchestrating some sinister conspiracy.

more than anything else this stuff seems to demonstrate to me that some people find it impossible to reconcile that it’s possible to find a women sexy on a “glandular” level and still respect them as human beings after the burlesque is over.

some people have the quite ordinary “fetish” for naked women. this has been a lucky thing as it has led to the continued propagation of our species. interrobang just seems to have a different, and frankly only slightly more bizarre, fetish for women who buck gender roles.

in the end the whole post seems to be based on a shrill claim that if a girl dances the people watching MUST be objectifying her, and that conclusion simply doesn’t follow.

I basically agree with Dave and probably wont add a whole lot new here, but, I just cant resist. The interrobang poster is drinking some hardcore feminazi koolaid.

Sure, equality is wonderful and all. I love it. And I get it. Women are people too, with brains and everything. But equality being sexy? That’s a little strange. Forgive me for finding, uhh, you know … sex sexy. Tits and Ass. Soft Kisses. Rippling Muscles (if youre into that sorta thing). Penis and Vagina. In short, Naked Bitches Rule. You get the idea - I hope. Equality is what it is. Sex is what it is. And there just isnt much connecting the two.

On to the Pentathalon thing. I can see how a woman breaking into this “sport” in the 19th Century would be a significant feat for equality. The reality, however, is that we are in the 21st Century and women in athletics is not exactly ground breaking. We’ve come a long way, and this is good in terms of women’s (and, I will add, racial) roles in our society. We even give scholarships to collegiate female athletes and have professional women’s sports leagues (wnba, lpga, etc, etc) these days (even though they bring in a fraction of the dollars mens sports). The funny thing is sports, whether it be the female pentathalon or male greco-roman wrestling, just make objects of people too. I, sadly, hoot and holler louder when man (or woman) with stick hits ball far than when lady (or man) walks onto stage and takes off her clothes. In reality, I dont care about the person who hits the ball, just that he does so. If I were to hang out with my favorite athlete, I doubt I would get along with him/her very much just like I probably wouldnt like to date the girl in the porno which I beat off to. In either case, I wouldnt have much in common with them, but I cheer regardless of this fact.

Just wake up to the fact that things arent so bad for women these days. I think they are perfectly capable of deciding what is empowering for themselves as a person, an incredible freedom, without someone telling them what is right or wrong.

i like your comments guys. it almost makes me forget about how you all programmed your cell phones to play the mexican hat dance whenever someone’s fuckbuddy called. *sigh*

I hope Faye reads their comments and realizes that those are her proponents.

there ya go

” In short, Naked Bitches Rule. ”

yup…

Faye, Tess… those are the people who support you.

ah well…

ttfn.

First, I would like (and am very proud) to take credit for starting the ‘hat dance’ ringtone, but in all fairness, my fuckbuddy at the time was in fact mexican, so it only made sense.

Secondly, this is my new favorite post ever. Really, anything that allows me to us ‘Penis and Vagina’ in a pseudo serious context gets huge bonus points.

Third, and most important, maybe, is that the more I think the about interrobang poster, the more I get seriously angry. The logic behind the reasoning is simply indefensible. It starts from the first attack: “Sexy women are A) NOT FAT” … Are you KIDDING ME? Who says a nice BBW cannot be sexy? How kind of you do decide this for all of us. And this is from me!!!! Ive famously been putting forth the “I hate fat people” argument before it was ever cool to rag on “fat people.” Dear god, its just inane, and it only gets more so from there.

“Worked in theater all my life.” And this qualifies you to make such judgments on what is right and wrong about how people determine what makes them feel good about themselves?

And for anyone who even tries to defend the arguments of the interrobang poster is copping out, trying to be nice. I do not care how one derives self worth whether it be how good of fuck they are on film or their ability to perform in an arcane male dominated sport (yes, Im talking about (modern) pentathalon (just for clarification, there is the aforemention ‘modern pentathlon’, seemingly derived of events having nothing to do with one another and a just normal ‘pentathlon’ consisting of only track and field events. The latter, of course, being the less “sexy” of the two.), and Im being nice by calling it a “sport” because what exactly ’shooting, fencing, riding, swimming, running’ have to do with our society as is stands today is beyond me … and, according to wikipedia everyone else agrees, “In spite of the event’s strong pedigree in the modern olympics, and its status as the only event created specifically for the modern olympic games, its lack of widespread popularity outside of Eastern Europe has led to calls for its removal from the Olympic games in recent years.”). Although, I will admit, I do find this picture sexy (Look, she has a GUN. Like Men! She’s being equal to men!) NSFW …

http://micahmoorenaked.com/

And I dont know if you’ve noticed, but male standards today arent exactly that of homer simpson. Women get off so easily on that hook. Have you looked at a male model lately? Do you know what David Beckham looks like. Maybe I should just be empowered that Emerill is in the kitchen. Sooooo Sexy!! Last time I checked, it isnt men keeping chip’n'dales on tour (or at least straight men anyway). DAMN THOSE chauvinistic ladies (and gays). DAMN YOU! Is this the logic Im supposed to follow? Such a fucking cop out.

Arg, I could go on, and on, but I will spare you all. But it is lame. Its all lame. Even though its fun, its lame were have this inane argument. I could go on and on, seriously. This for whatever reason, actually makes me angry.

Dada-dada-da-daaa, daaa-da-da-da-da, da-da …

arg, and I was even writing that before I got to read interrobang poster latest comment. I don’t even know Faye, but I would imagine even she got the just of that tongue-in-cheek comment. I do so to point out the absurdity of arguments (a common tactic). Sex itself is sexy. How is that difficult to understand? Forgive me for putting things crudely, not matter how true they may be, but, Nakedness is sexy!!! Provocative Dancing is sexy. And more importantly, real. People find real power from embodying these ideals of Sex. Who are you to say they are wrong? What is wrong with the ability of woman to look in the mirror and think, ‘DAMN!!! I am one motherfucking sexy bitch!’? I would sure as hell hope absolutely nothing.

Is WNBA MVP lauren jackson wrong for wanting to pose nude because she found it empowering even though she is already breaking gender stereotypes by succeeding in a male dominated sport? “I was really nervous at first, but it was conquering one of my fears. I felt very much empowered at the end.” … safe for work …

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2001959032_storm18.html

Does that make her less of a woman? Does it make her a pawn of male chauvinistic pigs? And by the way, that magazine pictorial featured professional athletes of both the (Nekkid) Male and Female variety.

Jesus, wasnt the sexual revolution about women taking control of their own sexuality making it their own? Being able to express it is they choose to see fit? I swear every time I go to barnes-and-nobles (please, forgive me of my sins, small market jesus - I go to the Farmer’s Market every week! I promise!) I see an entire section of books with titles along the lines of ‘The Female Orgasm’ OUT IN THE OPEN! I DONT EVEN GO LOOKING FOR THEM! … dear lord, am I fucking lost about this somewhere? Did I slip through some kind of time warp? What fucking year is it? I need affirmation on this. Please, people, help me. I am afraid I have slipped through a time warp where my mail will arrive three months later from the MAN who swam, ran, and horseback rode (?) across the states while warding off foes with the defense of a foil and single shot handgun! (But if it happens to be a chick, Im totally gonna fuck her when she gets here! hahaha)

oh jeez, how much flak am I going to catch for this?

i think we broke jacoby.